Reviewing Claude Opus 4.5

Guess what? Claude Opus 4.5 is here. And people are saying it is the world's best coding agent, but I needed some proof. So, I put Opus 4.5 head-to-head with Gemini 3 Pro. I built a SAS app and I wanted to see who would win. And the results might shock you. I did it with my friend, the boring marketer. And in this episode, we are going to show you how Opus 4.5 stacks against Gemini 3 Pro and also how you can get the most out of Opus 4.5. Hint, it has to do with setting up Claude skills and we show you exactly how to do it. Enjoy the episode. >> >> We got the boring marketer on the pod, James. By the end of this episode, what are people going to learn? >> Well, I'm just going to open the curtains and show everyone sort of how I'm using the latest models. I want to dig into Claude Opus 4.5. I want to jam a little bit on Gemini 3.0 pro and uh want to show people how I'm building landing pages and websites as a non-designer, non-engineer that are driving great conversion. >> Can we live play with 4.5 Opus 4.5 and see what happens? >> Let's do it. Let's do it. And I also think something that would be kind of interesting is if we did sort of like a test. So, uh let's use Opus 4.5 with a front-end design skill. Let's see what we can come up with. And then let's do Gemini 3 Pro with the same prompt and let's see what we can come up up with there as well. >> Let's do it. >> All right. So, um here's a way we could do this. Greg, you want to uh you want to get an idea from idea browser and uh and run that and see what it comes up with? >> Sure. So, uh do you want me to give you today's idea of the day? >> Yeah. >> I actually really like this idea. Estate dashboard for keeping families informed during probate. Estate executives fa face constant phone calls and texts from anxious relatives saying, "What's happening with dad's estate?" Estate Clear creates a realtime family dashboard where executives can post updates, upload documents, and track progress while family members get instant notifications instead of playing f phone tag. I mean it's one of those small ideas like the t you know there's like not how many estates are there not millions uh in the US at least I don't think actually maybe there are >> I don't know how many but like I've I've gone through that process before and you know it it's a black box and >> it takes over a year you have no idea what's going on you're getting these replies from lawyers and stuff like that like give me the the Door Dash visual that's like just letting me see what's going on, you know, like that's >> Yeah. >> And you'd probably save a lot of like money on billable hours to attorneys going back and forth asking them questions and stuff. >> And the retention is probably insane. >> Yeah. >> Like you're not you're not going to cancel that. All right, let's get to it. >> All right, cool. So, I'm just gonna paste this into here. Um kind of the full thing that you that you sent me. Uh so it's truncating it but you get the idea. So um let's see uh I want to create a uh conversion optimized landing page for my new startup. Uh build ahtml that I can view locally. you must use the front end design skill um to generate the page. So, typically what I would do here is I would put uh this whole description and actually let me go ahead and paste this here just so people can can see it. Typically, what I would do is I would do some foundational research, you know, like I would put this into there. Hey, use the Perplexity MCP. Tell me who is in this space. What's a unique kind of differentiating angle that we can take? Blah blah blah. But, you know, we really just kind of want to see, hey, what what do these models do with minimal direction if we just give it the concept. So, um you must use the front-end design skill to to generate the page. Let's just start there and we'll we'll get a gauge on on design and what it cooks up. All right. So, uh, meanwhile, I'm going to go over to, uh, AI Studio and I'm going to give the exact same, uh, prompt. >> And could you use like, do you have to go to AI Studio? Could you not have used cursor and just done it within cursor? Sam Alman, the co-founder of OpenAI, just said that it is the era of the idea guy, and he is not wrong. I think that right now is an incredible time to be building a startup. And if you listen to this podcast, chances are you think so, too. Now, I think that you can look at trends uh to basically figure out uh what are the startup ideas you should be building. So, that's exactly why I built ideabser.com. Every single day, you're going to get a free startup idea in your inbox, and it's all backed by high quality data trends. How we do it, people always ask. We use AI agents to go and search what are people looking for and what are they screaming for in terms of products that you should be building and then we hand it on a you know silver platter for you to go check out. Um, we do have a few paid plans that, you know, take it to the next level. Uh, give you more ideas, give you more AI agents and more almost like a chat GBT for ideas with it. But you can start for free ideabrowser.com. And if you're listening to this, I highly recommend it. You you can you could use the uh the cursor agent there. Um, however, I just don't want to create some like confusion of it working on like the same things. cuz I want to try to keep this like a I don't know a unit test or something like that where we're kind of isolating variables. Um so let's uh we'll we'll do it this way and we'll see. Okay, so right now uh Claude is working on our design already. Let's show AI Studio and uh we'll get it uh we'll get it cooking there. All right, so let's go back to the start. Let's just paste this in. And uh let's get my my prompt uh that we used for the actual page. And we said I want to create a conversion optimized landing page for my new startup. Build an HTML that I can view locally. And I'm going to remove the piece about the uh the actual like front-end design skill because we know that Gemini already has those skills. So, let's let her rip and let's see what happens. What do you think's going to happen? Like, who do you think's going to win? >> >> I think that if I were to create a prediction here, I think that Gemini is going to come up with something more outside of the box. I think Claude is going to create something a little more of like what you'd expect. >> I think both will be good, but uh that's that's just my gut vibe. What do you got? What do you think? I wouldn't be surprised if Gemini put in AI features in the MVP. >> Mhm. >> I've noticed it's been doing that. I think that's interesting. >> Yep. >> I think that the my guess is Opus is going to come up come and do like a very solid fully featured SAS app, but it's going to be like more kind of similar to what you're you're saying. It's going to be it's going to be similar to Yeah. what you'd expect, but I think it's going to be really, really solid. >> Yeah. >> Um whereas the G Gemini might have like a couple bugs and it's, you know, explored edges that we probably didn't even think of. >> Yeah. Yeah. After we look at these initial ones, too, I've I've had a lot of fun lately also just prompting the model and saying, "All right, this is cool, but like come up with something completely outside the box and seeing how creative each model can get." So, after we see the initial ones, we'll we'll give that a spin, too, and see what happens. >> Cool. >> Okay, let's see where we're at. So, Claude is uh currently doing its thing. And here we go. So, this is Opus 4.5 with the front-end design skill. One shot. We have the description from idea browser and literally like a one to two sentence prompt. >> Stop answering the same questions from everyone in the family. So, good. Yep. Estate executives face constant calls and texts from anxious relatives. Estate Clear gives you a private family dashboard where everyone stays informed without overwhelming you. So, I I I like the overall like aesthetic of this. I mean, going through probate and doing all that and dealing with this in the family like isn't exciting, right? So, like it's got like a a nice sort of like subtle tone to it. It's not like screaming in my face with a bunch of like wild colors and stuff like that. Clearly, it is not uh just using the same kind of like purples and typical AI stuff. So, let's scroll down and and see what else it it did. >> So, this is your skills that you created hard at work, right? Like from a copy perspective. Yeah, this is so I only told it to reference the design skill actually. So, >> okay, >> I didn't explicitly ask it to reference any any of the the copy skills. Um, so I don't think that it's actually using those. I think this is just what Opus came up with. >> Okay, cool. >> Yeah. So, uh, we can we can go through it though and and try to optimize the copy with those skills and see what it does. Um, so I think this is really awesome. Like this is definitely like all you need for like an MVP or getting this getting something like this live. >> And what happens if you click start free trial? >> Um, let's see. So, probably nothing yet because we only built the landing page. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Built the landing page. Yeah. if we were actually wanting to build out this app, it would take a little bit more time uh for Claude to do. Um, so >> anecdotally, it does feel like we've with Opus 4.5 and Gemini 3, it it does feel like we've entered a new stratosphere of vibe coding. Would you agree? >> I would definitely agree. Like I think that >> the lines are just blurring across the board. like you know the line between >> a non-technical person being able to code blurred and I I I would always feel very frustrated with like the design portion of of this whole process you know um yeah you can build stuff but everyone can tell it looks vibeccoated or it just doesn't look right now that's that line is getting blurred so all these lines are just blurring and you know it's not necessarily like vibe coding or vibe marketing or vibe designing or whatever. It's just like vibe building in a way and the entire stack is just kind of coming together into one place which is nuts. All right, so there's Claude. Let's check in on uh on Gemini and see what we've uh what we've got there. All right, here's Gemini's version. >> Keep the family united goes hard. >> That that does go hard. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Manage the estate. Keep the family united. Stop playing phone tag. The private dashboard for executives to share updates, documents, and milestones with the whole family at once. Very clear. >> Clear, but I don't know. It doesn't have a I I like some of the animations on 4.5. I don't know if you noticed that. >> Yes. Like the the box on the right kind. >> Um I I also like the layout of the 4.5 one. I can get the the copy and I can get that initial visual like right away without needing to scroll or scan down the page. All right. So, uh we've got this here uh social proof. >> Um this is very similar uh between both models like this section. >> Here it is. The AI. >> Yeah. >> Don't know what to say. let AI write the update. >> You called that for sure. >> Yep. >> But I think that's like really interesting. Like to me, I probably wouldn't have thought of this. And it's also, you know, if you're trying to create a startup right now that, you know, gets traction, I think having some of these AI first ideas really help. >> Yep. I was cur This is cool. like it it already built a little kind of like >> preview of some functionality here into the landing page. So, I like that idea a lot. I like the imagery here. Um, feels more human, I guess. Uh, which is also something that, you know, coding models have have missed in the past. Uh, everything feels very robotic. You've got the emojis. you've got the same style of like illustrations and stuff like that. And I think with I mean with Nano Banana 3 coming or Pro coming into the fold too like Gemini has an incredible asset to leverage with its design capabilities uh for you know things like like this. Uh we've got a very similar kind of like pricing uh card between both designs. So, man, it's tough. I think both are good. I think I think from a pure aesthetic standpoint, I think I like the claw version better. That's just me. >> No, I I think you're right there. Like I think objectively it it was nicer. Uh I think, you know, from the feature perspective, like I said, like the AI feature is really interesting. Impressed that it worked, too. I mean, my real question with 4.5 is like, okay, great. Now it's made a landing page, but can it create a SAS app? You know what I mean? Like, >> yeah, >> ultimately, I'm interested in pushing 4.5 to the limits and I would, you know, I would be curious if it actually could build an app that I can sell. >> It it absolutely could. Um, I mean, you know, if you wanted to build this entire product in Claude code with 4.5, you you could definitely do that. Um, you know, like I like with with Claude 4.5 sonnet, like I've taken um, you know, idea for a SAS from from zero to production ready. So, you you can certainly do it um with either of these models. Uh now what I have personally found and to be clear I haven't tried to build a full-on application with Gemini 3 yet but um I think that Claude's earlier models like I would always go back to them like when I was I I was trying to use codecs and GPT5 before 5.1 came out and uh you know Gemini 2.5 Pro and and stuff like that and while the log logic is good and the the thinking and the debugging is good. Um getting from zero to fully ready was easier with the claude models. Uh that that's just been my experience. So I always kind of try to lean on claude as the workhorse and then have these other models doing what they're good at as sort of a advisory model if you if you will. So here they are like side by side. Now I mean if we wanted to we could uh we could see how each of these builds out beyond the landing page and just say hey create a clickable prototype uh for for the concept and we can kind of get a gauge on how how it's thinking there. >> Let's do that. >> Okay. >> And because I'm curious. >> Let's do it. Let's do it. >> All right. Let's go back to cursor and uh we will get started there. So um I want to build the full clickable prototype of the app locally so that I can open up a HTML and see how it looks and feels. And if we wanted to build, I know we're not going to do it today because we don't have two and a half hours. >> Yeah. But if we wanted to build the back end, we could. >> Oh, absolutely. I mean, we could uh you know, we could set up um the entire backend. So, some of the things that I've used in like my most recent builds are like uh Neon, which is kind of the the database uh plugs in nicely and plays well with Versel. Uh Clerk for O uh and login uh easy to spin up OOTH or anything like that. Um, I would probably deploy onto Verscell or Railway or, you know, something along along those lines. Um, you could integrate Stripe for the payments and the subscriptions relatively easily as well. And, you know, you could build the entire logic and application uh here for sure. So, I'll give the same prompt uh while we're waiting there to uh to Gemini. You know, one of the things that I that I really like about Gemini and and just Google generally is how like and we've talked about this a lot is just how vertically integrated it is. Um, now developers and stuff have their preferences for what tools and what things they want to use like at different levels of of their stack. But if you think about like 90% of people like someone who's just trying to build their app or get something out there or whatever having everything like integrated into AI studio from you know O to your storage or database to easily integrating AI models into your product to hosting uh etc. Google has the full range of capabilities there that they own that, you know, they can integrate directly into like AI Studio. um which I think from just a convenience perspective >> for most people is a really powerful value proposition and uh from a cost perspective, from a speed perspective, from just keeping things organized perspective. Uh that's a huge advantage that that they have as they push this forward. >> Totally. I mean, I don't think I'm going to switch from my iPhone, but I've never been closer to switch to an Android. >> It's It's pretty crazy. Like, you know, something else that we've talked about is, you know, not only do they own the the foundational model, you know, the Gemini model and all these other tools and stuff, the data that Google has is insane. Obviously, we all know that. You know, a lot of people use Google Workspace like to basically run their life like their email, their calendar, their documents, their spreadsheets, whatever. >> Uh, and so you have that whole layer, that application layer and the tools layer. >> And then, uh, you know, you've got the devices like you mentioned, but beyond that, like the TPUs and and everything. Now, I'm not like a semiconductor expert by any means, but what I do know is that, you know, they work with like Broadcom or whatever to manufacture like their own chips and uh it's a lot cheaper, which is something that Google loves is being able to offer, you know, undercut the market and like owning this entire stack is just crazy to think about uh where it's all headed, you know? And they also own I think 14% of Anthropic. >> True. True. >> So they're both kind of Google products at the end of the day, right? >> Yeah. >> 4.5 and Gemini. >> Yep. Have you been playing with Nano Banana at all, Greg? >> I have. Um it's s You're talking about Nano Banana Pro, right? >> Yeah. The latest release. >> Yeah, it's significantly better than the first version. the the the the number one thing I noticed is just text is better. >> Yeah. >> So, it was so frustrating with Nana Banana that, you know, I'd create a YouTube thumbnail and it would be like so close. Uh but it would add like an extra O and I would be like take out the O and it would be like no, you know, it just wouldn't be able to do it. >> And there were some tricks around that, you know, creating a new chat using, you know, that image as a reference image. Um, but with uh Nano Banana Pro, I I'm just finding like, you know, >> 50% better >> uh outputs. Um, I'm also using Glyph uh.app to help get the most out of Nano Banana. Nana Banana, by the way, no affiliation with Glyph, no affiliation with Google, no affiliation with Anthropic, just >> tools that, you know, I'm using. Um that helps me prompt Nana Banana Pro a little bit better. Um it's kind of crazy to think about like what like you know obviously you know obviously the use cases is crazy to think about. Um there's like a bajillion startup ideas that I'm thinking about right now specifically around Nano Banana Pro. Um you know for example I saw someone someone created a infographics. Did you see this? this guy who created the infographic startup. >> No, I haven't seen that. >> I don't I don't remember like his MR from it, but basically guy creates a uh n he basically, you know, all so many people want to create an infographics and like would you pay 20 bucks for an incredible infographics? Like maybe if it helps you get 50,000 impressions on X, >> right? >> So he just optimized uh Nano Banana Pro for infographics. got a good domain name, created a good brand around it, >> and like what are other categories for that? >> Yeah. Yeah. Um something I was using it for uh you know, Black Friday's coming up or whatever. I want to do some like retargeting campaigns. I want to run some ad campaigns on Meta. And I saw this format, maybe this is a little sauce for for people, like similar format to this like infographic approach, but I got these ads on Instagram and it was kind of like um the onepage map to accomplish this. Let me let me show you actually real quick. I'll I'll just pull up some of the little ads that I created. Um because I actually thought they were pretty good. Um, so my idea for the ad, uh, is kind of leaning into that infographic style. Um, how can I like give people value like in the ad itself, you know, uh, before I ask them to do something? So, we've been doing a lot of these like free workshops or whatever. Uh, they've been doing well. My my concept was, hey, let's take some like short clips or replays from the workshops and some key takeaways people should know. Let's run an ad, drive people to each of those, see which one, you know, converts, helps us build our list, and then, you know, convert people into the community or whatever. So, this is like one of the ads that I that I created. So, I've got one of these for each of the workshops and then I've got sort of like a transformational ad that's like before Vibe marketing, after Vibe marketing as well. Like I try to see what's going on in like the direct to consumer ecom world and figure out how I can apply it to uh to my world. Um they're testing way more ads than any other industry. they're learning really fast, borrowing some ideas from there and then translating it into like, you know, sort of the creator world is I think there's some alpha there. Um, but yeah, what do you think of this ad? Honest. Do you like it? Do you not? Is it too too much text? >> To me, it's too much text and it's too busy. >> Yeah. >> What in on on the negative side? But what I do like about it is like I I I I find like the recordings in the AI finds the moments the saved layout snap into place. Like the the titles look really great. Uh the call to action looks really great. >> The visual style I think looks pretty pretty good. Like that handwritten style. >> So I think like what >> this is like for me one prompt away from being a really really high performing ad. >> Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. And I I think just like those barriers, you know, like, oh man, I'd love to run a campaign, but uh you know, I've got to go get a designer to make some good ads for me. They have to know how to design good ads and all this stuff. Like those just aren't blockers anymore. Like you can open up Gemini 3, for example, and you can say, "Hey, go and research the top performing ad formats for me across these industries. Find the common patterns. look at my business and give me the hook, the angle and the visual style that I can go and paste into Nano Banana Pro. Like you you've got the the thinking and the testing and the data from all kinds of people that have gone and done it and scaled it and everything else and you can take that knowledge in a snap, go create a good image and then launch a campaign that could potentially, you know, generate fresh sales or revenue for you. So just the speed you can do it and the barriers dissolving is just I don't know pretty mind-blowing. So uh let's check on our progress. So this is the family view. First impressions here like it maintained the aesthetic perfectly like down to the the font. Um, you know, it's not your typical build a SAS dashboard AI look, you know, at all. Like a lot of those always look the same. Like I don't know if you've seen like cloud artifacts and stuff like that, like that sort of vibe, emojis and everything. Like none of that. Like this looks really good. Um, here's kind of your progress sort of thing uh that we talked about. We've got recent activity uh the different family members. Um here as well, it went ahead and built out a lot of these subviews in this prototype. Uh we've got the updates keeping you informed with the latest estate news. Um this is a really nice touch. We've got document storage. Uh which is cool. Milestones. >> Just as you're clicking around this, it's like why doesn't this exist? >> Yeah, it's a really good idea. couple couple pages uh aren't built, but uh yeah, you get the idea. You can post an update sharing the news with your family. >> I This is a great idea. It kind of reminds me of like um >> what was what's that platform like Carta or whatever like for company like fundraising and financials and and stuff like that. There's also been a couple like family office as a product startups that have come out as well >> kind of keeping all of that information safe and stuff. So there's some there's some good sort of examples out there to to pull from for this. >> Mhm. The only thing is like for this I would say what's the recurring kind of kind of use case I guess like one way to think about it would be um okay the estate clears what what's next in the journey right um do do you need financial advisory or financial help um do you have some sort of like estate law play or integration that comes next. So like this is one step in the journey. Um I I would say to really improve the concept, it's like what's the recurring use case after that? That's the next phase of life after this. >> I'm going to do a whole episode on vertical apps like this >> and how to structure them. Uh but the the hardest part uh of building a vertical app is figuring out what is the workflow, figuring out what is the social aspect. Um and then obviously figuring out uh what is the vertical and once you have these people in the network then the workflow might change but >> you know >> there's some there is a workflow there that you can >> that you know you just have to figure out what that is and if you don't know what that is like you can show this to a family right you now have a prototype >> show it to them get feedback >> um you could you know on idea browser we have pro features that give you agents to help you figure that out. Uh you could you know just take it one step at a time too. Suffer on retention initially and then you know once you have customers just like build build as you go >> right >> um >> right I think also uh you know maybe the first customer isn't necessarily the family. The first customer is maybe the the probate attorney too. >> Yeah. you know, like they've got the clients coming all the time and uh you know, they can it's kind of like the B2B TOC model, if you will. >> Yeah. >> So, all right, let's see what uh AI Studio is doing real quick and uh let's get a gauge on. So, something that I've noticed is there's there's a couple errors here. >> So, what do you do when you see errors like that? uh fix error. How can you make this work? No. Um you know for for me it's yeah just kind of a process of like trying to dig deeper into what the root cause is. So I use ter the terminal for all of the work that that I'm doing. So if we think back to that cursor setup uh I may say hey Claude uh ultra think about this uh problem. you know, if you type in ultrathink, it'll change colors and it'll use more uh, you know, power to kind of help to dig in or solve the problem. Other tactics that I've used um with Claude, because that's like my daily workhorse, is I'll say, "Hey, if I'm really stuck, I'll say, "Hey, spin up specialized sub aents that are going to go and find the root cause of why this thing is breaking. Um, I need like a Q&A tester. I need a senior sort of like engineer focus on this or whatever. And then it'll spin up these specialized agents that'll identify different areas that they're going to go and research in the codebase. And then it'll come together with like a comprehensive sort of analysis for me. And then I can say, hey, all right, cool. Plan this in terms of like a step-by-step process that we can go through to fix it. If it's still stuck, that's where I'll use cursor agent with, you know, GPT or Gemini or something like that for kind of an outside perspective. Now, one of the the things that Anthropic is kind of talking about with Opus 4.5 is that its ability to kind of stay on track is is really powerful. Sometimes when the code base grows, it's harder to kind of manage the context to find what that single problem or whatever uh is causing that's breaking the the app. So, I haven't built something full with with Opus 4.5 yet. I'm I'm thinking that its ability to work through the bugs without sort of getting lost is going to be a lot stronger. Um, and I wouldn't maybe need Ultra Think or Sub agents or maybe even those additional agents on the side. So, I'm I'm really curious to dig into that and see, >> which is a big deal. It's a big deal for your uh the health of your heart. >> Yeah, for sure. So, here's our prototype um within Gemini here. So, little bit of a different vibe. Um, more like less dashboard, more sort of like digest or updates or a space for the Sorry, it it updated the updated the landing page a little. Oh, no. It was just a sizing thing. Sorry. Okay. So, um, a little more of like a social vibe here. Uh, like sharing an update or connecting with the family. Uh, it's got the AI features like built in like polish with AI like if I want to update the family. I'm not sure if that's needed, but you you called it that there would be AI integrations uh within the build. Um, so that's interesting. Um, let's see. Documents. Uh, similar idea to what Claude came up with with like document storage. Uh, we've got the timeline here. I kind of liked I I think the timeline's one of the core aspects here of like getting that quick snapshot. I liked how the 4.5 Opus had that front and center as soon as you log into the dashboard. Um we've got the family and we've got settings. Um, my take is I feel that Opus went a little bit deeper in terms of thinking through the the product. I mean, this looks good. It's clean. It's not bad, but uh I think I like the like the other version a little bit better. Yeah, it feels a little more refined, a little deeper. Um, by the way, both of these products are outstanding. >> Absolutely. >> MVPs, and we're only testing this with very few prompts. So, >> it's unclear that at prompt 25 who would be winning, >> right? But I think if you look at based on the two prompts that we've done, I think it's clear that it stayed clear on 4.5 beat Gemini 3. >> Yeah. Yeah. I've got one other concept here for a test just to try to make sure that we're doing this in a fair way. All right. So, um, anti-gravity, um, you know, Google's, uh, agentic IDE. I'm curious if we put the same prompt into the Gemini 3 Pro model in anti-gravity if it is different than what you get in AI Studio. >> I have a feeling I know the answer to that, but I'm I I Let's try it. >> All right, we'll see what happens. My hunch is that it's you're going to get worse design out of anti-gravity. >> Okay. >> But, you know, I've been wrong once and I've been wrong before. I've been I've been wrong lots of times. So, >> okay, let's check it out. And by the way, like anti-gravity is really cool. Like definitely recommend people check it out. So, I'm just going to paste in the same prompt and let's see what happens. >> So, why should people use anti-gravity over a cursor? >> Well, uh it's a good question. I mean, at the end of the day, they're both VS Code forks, you know, so they're they're both kind of based off of uh VS Code, um which is open source and and free. Uh, however, I like some of the things anti-gravity is working on. To be honest, I've just started using it and testing it and and things like that, but they've got some like Chrome stuff built in here u where uh it can access the browser in a really easy way. And it can even access you you install a Chrome extension. So if if anyone's done vibe coding in the past and you're trying to like squash a bug, you know, you open up uh your uh deployment, whether that's locally or hosted or whatever, and you know, your coding models like, hey, like navigate to it on Chrome, and then open up like the the console and the dev and the dev tools and figure out like tell me if if this API connection is working, copy paste the responses, like that whole debugging process is is pretty painful. So with the Chrome extension um that anti-gravity connects to, it can access that data for you programmatically. So it's accessing the DOM, it's seeing sort of the data behind the scenes. So um you know I I suspect it will greatly minimize the back and forth in this debugging process when it has a very tight uh browser integration and can access data through the anti-gravity extension. So I think that's super interesting. Um that that's kind of what the first thing that I've really kind of picked up on and noticed. Um, I I suspect given the speed that Google's shipping, we're going to see a lot of interesting things here. Like some of the landing pages I've I've built here, like I'm I'm pretty sure you'll be able to have like nano banana integrated within anti-gravity and like some of these other tools like you know like you want a killer illustr illustration, great like let's spin that up with with nano banana and put on the >> that's where it's going to go crazy, right? Cuz you see what's happening with Google is they're creating V3. They're creating Nana Banana. They're creating all these like it's a whole creative suite of killer use cases that are pretty independent. But once they're able to, you know, bring that into anti-gravity and and just use all the horsepower from all those killer use case products, I think uh it's going to be absolutely madness. It's going to be really awesome. And man, like taking that even further, it's like, oh, like let's make a launch video, let's make a podcast, like >> like, you know, there's so many ways that it can extend into the ecosystem. Um, I mean, you know, we talk a lot about like via marketing stuff. Let's set up a Google Ads campaign to drive traffic to this. I mean like the ability to to stay interconnected and and grow lifetime value. No one can match that with this this ecosystem that they have which is it's wild. >> So what's happening? >> Okay. So we put in the same prompt uh here as well right now actually I think it is generating a mockup with nano banana. So it's actually generating an image with nano banana instead of uh going ahead and building the page from from scratch. So okay here here's what it's doing. It's generating a custom dashboard mockup image first to make uh the page look real. Then I'll build the HTML file. Oo wow. So it used Nano Banana. So, it's it's integrated uh to create a highfidelity visual mockup that we can see. Pretty uh pretty nice initial mockup, I would say. >> Totally really nice. Like those chunky buttons. >> Also, that's kind of like how uh how like a real uh team would work, right? Like, okay, like let's create like a high fidelity mockup. Let's make sure you like it before we go and write all the code, you know? >> Totally. Anti-gravity may surprise us here. Okay, so here's another thing. Really fast. Really fast is something I noticed in anti-gravity. >> Um, let's let's open it up. I'm sure uh the uh the hardcore developers and and everything are going to be like, "What are you doing?" But this is how I do it. All right. So, um I'm I've opened it up uh in my browser. Let's check it out. So, this is anti-gravity Gemini 3 Pro. Uh, keep uh families informed during probate. Stop the endless phone calls. Estate clear gives you a real-time dashboard. Share updates, documents, and progress with family members instantly. It's got the image that it created. So, again, this is really cool how it's able to utilize Nano Badana within the workflow, call it as a tool, and implement it into your design. like that is really neat. So, some similarities here between you know some of the other ones in terms of showing the features and stuff like that, the pricing uh etc. So, I think you know my take would be outside of this image it feels a little basic. So I I think your instinct that AI studio will have a better initial design output from one prompt was correct. I think what was cool about anti-gravity and this whole sprint that we did with it is if you scroll down the mockup >> like for me how that mockup is and how this how this is wireframed out there is some alpha in there and then you know maybe you go back to Opus 4.5 or maybe you go back to Gemini 3 Pro on AI Studio and then iterate there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. like what do you like from each model like uh or whatever um you know what can you learn from each how can you sort of use it uh across the the spectrum here to arrive at what you what you like at the end of the day so um really cool really cool so going back to kind of like my setup a little bit there are a few skills that I recommend everyone create uh with with Claude Opus so uh a skill is just like a set of instructions that the model is going to reference when it does a certain task. Okay, so I do a lot of like website optimization for thevibemarketer.com. I want to figure out, hey, how can I convert more visitors into customers and we've talked a lot about this, but like it comes down to really good copywriting. I think that um you know that's a struggle for like 90% of business owners is knowing what kind of copy to write uh for their business. They don't want to feel you don't want to feel too cheesy, too salesy, but you also want to leverage the principles of influence and persuasion in the right way. You know, you don't want to have this empty brand speak and you also don't want to be like, hey, make this much money, do this like right away. There's a there's a fine balance, right? So, I call this elevated direct response and I build a skill around it. And every time I write copy for my website, uh Claude references this skill and it does a great job at, you know, producing uh you know, this this style of conversion focused copy. So, the way that I did it is I found some people in my space or in our space uh that uh that that I like that I look up to that have, you know, built some pretty huge businesses with community and education and and things like that. So, here's an example. Um I have the Perplexity MCP set up in Claude Code. So, I say, "Hey, use the Perplexity MCP. Go research Cody Sanchez and Alex Hormoszi and like the biggest sort of like education or information-based businesses out there and break down exactly how they're writing their copy, how they're positioning their products and services and how they're talking about what they do. What are the main takeaways that you can learn? So, I did that and kind of came up with a few different uh you know baseline insights. uh the contrarian educator. So, uh Cody uh Sanchez starts out with like a contrarian point of view or a contrarian hook. Um you know, so got that from from her. Uh when I did this research on Alex Hormoszi, I found that you know, he's got uh sort of these offers that you can't refuse and he's always sort of stacking the value in terms of like what someone is going to get like with this big promise that you're making. So those are great learnings. Um what I did was I collected that into kind of this elevated direct response skill or playbook. And then what I did is I fed uh Claude Code a bunch of examples of my own writing. So things that I've created uh bunch of tweets uh even like transcripts of YouTube videos that I've done um you name it. And I said hey distill this into a brand voice skill. So it broke down the way that I talk, the way that I write, so that it feels natural. And uh you can see some of the the things here that it came up with. So contrarian educator, so boring is like the antidote to like shiny objects out there. What's the real practical ways people are going to get value from some of this stuff? Um you know, I'm really focused on compound growth uh while operating on the bleeding edge. So I don't like to chase everything. I like to figure out how I can build systems around these tools and processes that are going to pay dividends for a long time. Um, direct response DNA. So, you know, as a as a small business or a creator or whatever, like we don't need to worry about like this empty brand speak. We want to get people to take action in in a classy way. Um, so I've got a a direct response DNA, systems over hacks, so that compound long-term thinking, and then like a creator first language, like you always talk about like learning how to write for the internet. I think like that's the epitome of creator first language, like you want to talk naturally, you know? So blending what I learned from from these uh folks with my own kind of DNA uh kind of led me to you know creating like my own voice skill and claude that it that it uses every time. Uh so I rebuilt like my entire website using this and and it's been working pretty well. So, um, definitely like leverage skills and with the the tool use and the context ability of 4.5, uh, it's going to do a really good job with those. So, um, I boiled all that down, uh, also into like a landing page architecture that I utilize. So, I've been, you know, pumping out a lot of landing pages on my website lately. Like, we've been doing these like workshops. I wanted to create like a lead magnet around those so that I could gather emails. I wanted to redesign the homepage and I use the same architecture that cloud code was able to reference uh on each and every page using my voice. So uh this is sort of an overview of of the architecture that I use and probably a lot of other people use whether they know it or not. So you know we want to have like an impactful hero section. Um you know what what is this getting you? Uh what's sort of the the transformation or the outcome? Um we go through the problem agitate uh phase. So this is sort of like what's the issue you're facing? How do you stoke the pain uh to to make it feel like you really need something? And then you're coming in with a solution. So problem agitate solution is kind of a classic uh framework for for conversion. Um we're providing the solution with this like value stack. you know, took that from sort of studying Hormos's stuff where we're trying to make it feel like we're giving you so much value that it feels dumb to say no, right? And then we follow up with social proof, uh, the transformation, kind of backing up and reselling this sort of major outcome that you're going to get, having a secondary strong CTA, and then, you know, if you need like a footer or anything like that. So, taking a step back, I know that's a lot of information. Um, one research like uh the leaders in in your space, people you look up to, people you think are doing a good job. Uh, you know, nail your own sort of uh brand voice based on how you naturally speak. Combine that into a voice skill. Okay. And then, uh, you can optimize that into sort of like your landing page architecture that's driven toward generating a conversion. And from your experience playing with Opus 4.5 in the last 24 hours, you're kind of, you know, I know you shared some of some of the landing pages and copy with me. You're you're basically suggesting that you can get way better results. >> Yeah, you can get way better results uh with with less prompting and less work in between. So do the research up front, set up the skills, throw one prompt into the system, and you'll get a great result. So doing the the boring stuff up front, if you will, doing the research, building these skills out, maybe you have two or three, and then uh then attacking uh the the project with just one clear prompt can get you a long way. So um I'll I'll show you what that means, and maybe we can even run it live and and show people uh what this looks like. Uh, but there's one final skill that is a must-have uh with Opus 4.5. Now, everyone's seen all the Gemini 3 designs out there, and it does a fantastic job. Uh, I think it's awesome, but don't sleep on on Claude 4.5 Opus with the front-end design skill. Most people don't know that this skill exists. I didn't know it existed until uh, you know, Claude posted like a blog post about it on X and I I read it. And uh you can install it with two simple prompts. Um I wrote a an expost on this, but uh basically all you do, you enter this first one in. This adds sort of this anthropic plug-in marketplace into your Cloud Code environment. And then you've got plug-in install front-end design at Cloud Code plugins. So what this is going to help Cloud Code do is avoid all of that typical AI design stuff. You know, we've seen it everywhere. Uh everything looks the same. You've got the the same gradients, the same text, all of that. So skills are just like long sets of prompts or instructions. So in there, Claude's own team built this out. It's like avoid the typical AI stuff, build pro production grade designs and interfaces, etc. So got all the instructions that you need to to build out. So, I ran one prompt uh with this uh I I was just imagining uh kind of like a madeup offer like what if I held like a workshop where I taught people how to like build conversion focused landing pages that look really good or something like that. I put in a two-line prompt and uh you know it sort of oneshotted this which I think uh it was a good first pass for for Claude with the front-end design skill. Um, it's got, uh, you know, a clear headline. It's got sort of stoking the pain in a way. It's got kind of like the transformation. It's got, you know, some features, if you will. And then, uh, you know, it's a very clean and and simple design. Could obviously work on this more and ask it to do a lot more things, but this one shot with one a one-s sentence prompt is far better than what most people are uh are doing out there. >> Yeah. and the copy hits >> the the visuals don't look vibe coded at all. It's easy to scan. I can imagine on mobile that this would probably convert, >> you know, >> pretty well. Um, >> yep. >> You know, I don't have too many notes on it. >> Right. Right. I think like uh what I would do, what I would say is, you know, I need a a better CTA kind of top of the fold like what action do we want people to take? uh social proof would also be uh really good as well. But like you know those two elements and you've got something that you can literally create in two or three minutes that's optimized for conversion that sounds and looks good. >> Yeah. And I think that the big piece that people miss with vibe coding is they vibe code stuff but then the copy sucks. >> Yeah. Exactly. So then people, you know, they're they're converting at 1% or less than 1% and they're like, why? And then and they come to the conclusion that, oh, vibe coding, you know, doesn't work for me. >> Exactly. >> Where it's like, well, you know, in a lot of ways, the content is the UX. So, and what is the content? It's the words. And so if you can create great copy, you're going to probably be able to convert even if the design isn't drop dead gorgeous. >> Yeah, absolutely. I mean, uh, look back at the old school sales letters and stuff like that, you know, from like back in the day or like those old long form newspaper ads. They aren't necessarily beautiful. It's it's all text, but they know how to influence and talk about those pain points really, really well. And I think you point out a really good good uh point here is like everyone's focused on uh the design aspect of of the aesthetic which is important and we don't want like something that looks the same as everyone else but you know 98% of people that are vibe coding or vibe building are missing out on this whole copy angle for sure. So, you know, that's the episode. Opus 4.5 versus Gemini 3 Pro with some bonus anti-gravity. What's your, you know, TLDDR on on this whole experience? And, >> you know, should people get started with 4.5 today? >> Uh, yes. uh 4.5 Opus I think is going to be an incredible model just based off some of these initial tests that we did and and that I was doing last night. When you combine it with that front-end design skill, it's able to oneshot some pretty incredible interfaces and and designs. Um, I think if you level up that design like we were talking about with actual good copy that's geared toward conversion, like you're going to be you're going to be unstoppable. So like just to review the copy, review leaders in your niche, review direct response, add context of how you talk naturally, define your your elevated direct response skill. So, if you use that in combination with the design skill, uh I think you'll be really pleased. Um and then, you know, the things that I liked here about AI Studio and Anti-Gravity. Anti-gravity really cool. It's using Nano Banana Pro. Um I think Nano Banana has been awesome to play around with. Uh AI Studio absolutely cooking right now with the the releases and the updates. So, it's uh it's a playground out there right now. >> Thank you, James. Thanks for spilling the sauce, coming on here. I'll include links where you can follow Boring Marketer aka James. Uh in the show notes, uh his YouTube channel, his ex account, um and his community, the vibearketer.com, which I think, you know, I think you get like a free toolkit or something if you sign up, right? >> Yes. So, we've been doing these workshops. We've got uh basically these experts that we've sourced from our community that you know we're hosting to kind of spill the beans on how they're using all these tools to build some pretty incredible things. We've done you know AI video editing and scaling content. We've done AI search and SEO. We've done claude code uh etc. And uh I've taken sort of the best clips from those. You can get them on the vibearketer.comworkshops. and uh you know, go grab it. Uh free, no gatekeeping. Uh see if you like it. >> All right. Well, thanks again. And uh dude, never a dull moment in this industry, right? >> I mean, last week and this week, like I need a break. Like I've got whiplash from uh you know, looking at all the new releases and stuff. So I don't know if this is the new normal or not, but it's a it's a crazy time to be alive. I mean, I'm definitely tinkering this Thanksgiving. That's for sure. >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. >> Thanks for having me, Greg. I >> appreciate you.